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Nathan HPL #020 Race Vest Save 35% off

Nathan HPL #020 2.0 Liter Men''s 2-Liter Hydration Race VestI just received this and went right on my scheduled 20 mile run. The pack when full weights about 6lbs, which takes about 1/2 minute off your pace until you get used to it and begin to drink from the pack. I mixed 70oz of Cytomax with Endurolytes powder. The 70oz was enough for the 20 miles, but you will need to tank up again for full marathon. I would recommend filling up 1/2 for best results of weight vs duration depending on your access to water at 15 mile mark. If none is available this does the trick.

The package:

Lots of room for cell phone, drink mix, gu packs, camera, pair of dry socks. Two side pocket in front for quick access for needed items. It also allows you to change layers and store them on pack, which works for cold mornings that get warmer within a few hours of your run.

Pack stays on back without movement, but you will hear the liquid sloshing. I did not chafe on 20 mile run, and straps did not put pressure on shoulders with a thin tech shirt. This would be best for remote trail runs where you are away from any support (7-11, gas stations, fast food)

The fit:

The front has a clip for the hose. I found that it is adjustable and with a few tries was able to get it to stay put. There are two sliding clips on the front that allow for vest to remain comfortable.

The cleanup:

I mixed a mild bleach solution to clean out and dry. There are two holes at top to hang unit for drying.

(Now Updated)

I waffled between giving this 4 stars and 5 stars, but ended up with 5 because it really is the best hydration pack (for running) out there. I''ve now used it for six+ months, putting in 50-70 miles/week, and also three 50 mile races.

However, it isn''t perfect, so I''ll outline the pros and cons as I see them. Some of this is probably personal opinion so use your own judgment:

Pros:

*lightest weight for the carried volume I could find

*easy to clean for those of us that put drink mixes in bladders

*Pretty good bite valve, although I do recognize that some don''t like it

*Nice inventive chest clip that holds the drink tube, back panel securing system, adjustable height chest strap, and some other nice touches. These guys at Nathan did not just assemble a bunch of off the shelf crap to make a product; they creatively invented some stuff to solve real world problems, and for that they are way ahead of the pack (e.g. Camelbak)

*Reasonably good assortment of pockets and well placed too.

Cons:

*After about three months of use my bladder has started to leak many here have complained about it. I like to know my stuff is rock solid and I don''t have full confidence in it. I''ll replace with an MSR bladder, as those are bomb proof.

*Bladder sealing mechanism takes some time to get used to. With practice, you can open and close really quickly, but others can''t, which can kill time at an aid station during a race. It''s in your best interest to run into the station with the thing off your back and the slide opened, and close it yourself after they fill it.

*The mesh pocket on the left side (as you''re wearing it) needs to be taller and with much tighter elastic along the top; if you''re trail running stuff falls out. I''m going to add some velcro or something to allow me to use it as a secure pocket.

*There is better vent mesh out there for the back of this thing, although NO companies I''ve met use the good stuff (we use it for some of our projects). If they were to use the good stuff, you''d get better back ventilation, although it''s not really bad per se. It could just be better. Again, no company uses the good stuff.

*The elastic cinch cord on the back is great for strapping down extra stuff like a lightweight rain jacket or extra layer. However, after doing this (a LOT), it seems to have put some extra stress on the molded rubber V thing at the rear bottom: mine broke. I fixed it by sewing in some webbing instead, and it works fine now, but it did require mending. None of the other reviews mention this, and it happened to me early enough (around 5 months of ~ 50-70 miles/week; that''s not much for long distance running) that I think it really is associated with me stuffing extra gear back there which probably means it''s not really designed/tested for this.

Summary: Best of the best. Not perfect, but it''s the one to buy. Expect to replace the bladder, and don''t depend on it for critical runs. Watch out if you shove lots of stuff under the cinch straps on the outside, meaning inspect your rubber molded V at the bottom for unusual wear. Even though my bladder died early, and the V broke (but fixed with regular webbing now), it''s STILL leagues above anything else out there. If something better comes along, believe me, I''ll buy it and note it here.

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Irony. I just came on line to see how I can get a replacement for the bladder to this vest, and here was an invitation from Amazon to write a review. I bought this vest because of the rave reviews fellow runners have given it. Today was it''s maiden voyage, a test, for a planned 15 mile run. One mile into the run I felt water streaming down my back and legs. A hole had opened up in the seam about midway up the bladder. I was with other runners so they shared water for the run. On a positive note, the vest felt comfortable with no jostling up or down like the camelback. Don''t know how it will perform with a full bladder. I''ll let you know how my request for a replacement goes. The initial lesson, of course, is to test out a new product before launching out on a race or long run.

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I recently used the Nathan HPL in the Angeles Crest 100 trail race. It performed ok, but I was frustrated with several design shortcomings. I have primarily been using a Camelbak Mule for the past 8 years, and although the HPL is probably better for racing in moderate weather, the Camelbak is much more well thought out overall. The Nathan pack is a decent product, but I''d still much prefer running with water bottles. If you need the capacity of a waterpack, the camelbak is probably preferable unless you have moderate distances between aid stations where you don''t need to carry much in the way of clothes or cold weather gear. It is really a specialty product that I''d only recommend for limited racing conditions use waterbottles if the distance is shorter, or a camelbak for more challenging races/training.

Major complaints:

1) Hose clip Although many people have complained that the bladder is terrible although it is not of the same caliber as the camelbak''s, I found it ok my chief complaint with the pack was that the hose clip would not keep the hose in place. If the clip was just attached to the hose it would seem to pop out after a couple minutes on rough terrain, and even at the end of the hose where the nozzle comes out it wasn''t that much better. It is incredibly frustrating during a race to have the hose bouncing around, and the clip should be a lot stronger and more secure.

2) Hose sleeve camelbaks and many other packs incorporate a sleeve into the top of the shoulder strap as well as a band on the strap before including a clip. This significantly reduces the bounce that could lead to the hose bouncing off. Even though the HPL is a vest, there could easily be some type of sleeve or more ways to keep the hose from moving around on the vest during use other than the one flimsy piece of material half-way down the strap.

3) Sternum strap is poorly designed and there likely should be two. The sternum strap is quite funny and weird getting used to. I had to cut off the end of the strap and double it back to get it tight enough for use, but it never felt quite right. It seems like there should be a strap higher up on the chest and one lower down towards the bottom of the straps, and I am not clear why there isn''t. This would be comparable to a waist strap and sternum strap on many other packs, which helps to minimize bounce.

4) Sloshing in the bladder Unlike the mule, the HPL doesn''t allow you to cinch down on the bladder compartment itself so that there is significantly more sloshing than necessary. I''m not sure why they don''t have one of the two sets of straps higher on the pack to keep the bladder more firmly in place and allow the bladder to be kept snug while you drink the fluid.

5) Poorly designed storage. The flimsy straps on the bottom of the pack for a jacket are just terrible. The pack would be much better if there was a larger compressible zipper area that could store a jacket. I hate things flapping around when I''m running and even when you cinch a jacket down it still is way more bulky than it should have to be. A compartment along the lines of what the amphipod waist packs have would be much better. Similarly, it is not good for storing hats or gloves because they are likely to fall off. The additional weight of a large zipper compartment on the back would be minimal and make the pack much more useful for training and carrying warm gear.

Although I have focused on shortcomings, Nathan did do several things to make this a decent product:

1) The compartments on the front of the pack are truly awesome. It is great not to have to take off the pack to get at food and gels and it makes you much more likely to eat more during a race.

2) The location of the bladder on the back is great. The lower position makes it better than a camelbak for running.

3) The material is much nicer for running shirtless than anything else on the market.

If you''re going too far to use water bottles, but you don''t need to carry a jacket or gloves this is the best product on the market. However, if you need to carry a jacket or gloves which seems to always be the case for me, I''d say the camelbak is still superior. The camelbak also seems a lot more durable for climbing, biking and other activities. I haven''t had any problems yet with the soft material of the HPL vest, but it just seems fragile.

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I run 4-6 times a week and bike or hike randomly. Ive worn backpacks and carried water bottles this entire time...I didn''t know what I was missing. Backpacks often bounce around and water bottles always get sweaty or wet. Then, because I want it on me, I needed to carry around my wallet and cell phone which I kept in lunch bags. NO MORE!

This is an amazing work of ergonomic engineering. The straps fit perfectly and comfortably, the hose can be set to either side, the pouches are absolutely appropriately placed. I don''t even know I have my cell phone in the front pouch and its not a small one ( ATT TILT 1). the back pocket has enough room for a Garmen 305 GPS and its heart monitor and my wallet, I am sure if I had more stuff to bring I could comfortably fit 2-3x more in there.

The way the bag sets on your back and moves with the natural movement of your body is amazing. Due to the little 3 sided rubber "shock absorber" which allows the straps to extend according to the users movements, this was a GREAT idea.

The front buckle is well designed, each side is attached to a concealed "track" that allows it to slide up and down about 6" or 7" to adjust to the users body. For example: When my wife first tried hers on the straps were up uncomfortably around her chest and she was a bit annoyed. But a few seconds later she was able to slide the straps down along these durable well concealed tracks and have it fit comfortably.

The water bag is literally hung in the bag and fits snuggly (part of its water delivery is due to gravity). It''s easy to refill, if a bit awkward, what with the way it hangs on a strap in the inside. I would run a few bags of water through it when you first get it, my wife and I learned the hard way that we would taste plastic the first time since we didn''t.

The drinking piece is comfortable and has an attachment place on the front strap so it isn''t tossing around when your running. I foresee this wearing down after a time so I would recommend getting some extra parts and maybe a bag just in case, to have on hand. But make no mistake, I do not think this is a problem, just normal wear and tear on less durable parts.

My reccomendation:

If you are a runner and you want a bag that feels like its not even there, BUY THIS. You will not regret it.

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Klean Kanteen Stainless Steel Water Bottle Shoulder Sling (40-Ounce Bottles) Save 20% off

Klean Kanteen Stainless Steel Water Bottle Shoulder SlingI bought two of these slings when I bought the 40 oz bottles. The slings fit in the bottles, and work as expected.

However, I just put one of these through the wash, and all the seams came apart and was fraying. It said it was able to go in the washer, but I guess not. :(

I recently became interested in stainless steel water bottles for purely pragmatic reasons. After determining the 40 oz. Klean Kanteen appeared to meet my needs, I investigated the various options. The sling holders made specifically to fit the bottle was a welcome option to allow hauling the bottle around with me. Until recently I''ve carried re-used water bottles until they became worn from the constant use. I was a bit concerned about the fit of the sling based on some of the reviews I''d read, but I found it took me only about 30 seconds to slide the sling onto the Kanteen (no directions needed). The adjustable strap is handy to allow me to change the length as I may need. Since I initially made the strap relatively short, there was a foot or so of strap that needed to be dealt with. I just folded it up in an accordion fashion and wrapped a couple rubber bands around it.Everything fits well and the strap allows me to hang on to the bottle along with a computer bag, portfolio and whatever else I may be hauling from one meeting to another. I''m sure if I think enough I can come up with some negatives about the sling, but for the price and functionality it provides, I''m quite happy with the product.

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I like this since it makes carrying the larger bottle easier, I found it is a little difficult to put on and take off though.. When you order make sure it says it is in stock.

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Since I still haven''t recieved my Klean Kanteen bottles (they were on backorder), I used these for the bottles that I am currently using. Both bottles are large and have different shapes, but they both fit the holders very well. Very happy with the product overall.

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The sling firmly grips the kanteen and doesn''t leave any room for slack. I haven''t had a problem with my painted kanteen but it may lead to scratching.

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Klean Kanteen Stainless Steel Water Bottle

Klean Kanteen 27-Ounce Classic, Poly Loop Cap Stainless Steel Water BottleLast month I bought a 40oz Klean Kanteen bottle and a 33oz Sigg bottle. In the end I prefer the Klean Kanteen.

Both bottles are very light and look good. The Sigg is lighter, but not so much to really matter. Sigg wins easily in the looks department with different artwork to choose from and the bottle I have has a nice textured powder coat finish compared to the KK basic look and smooth surface.

Sigg uses an epoxy to protect your water from the aluminum and tells you not to use the bottle for long term storage. Could be a bit worrisome not knowing what''s in the epoxy and the possibility of aluminum contamination. I have not noticed a metallic taste from either bottle drinking straight unfiltered tap water. I prefer the stainless steel of the KK just because it''s probably on the safer side.

The bottles are both lightweight and made of thin metal. I haven''t dented either but I have been very careful with them. Both feel like they would dent quite easily. I have not scratched either bottle and the paint on both looks like new after daily use from work to the gym.

The KK bottle has the cap threading formed into the neck of the bottle while the Sigg uses a metal ring insert in the top of the bottle to thread the cap onto. Some people have complained that the Sigg''s threaded insert is sharp, but I have not had this problem. The KK is more comfortable to drink from though. Also the wide mouth of the bottle makes it easy to put ice cubes in, which you can''t do with the Sigg unless you have very small ice cubes.

I have the loop cap on both bottles. The Sigg I really have to twist the cap on tight so it doesn''t leak. The KK cap seals quite easily and has never leaked. The KK also uses a thicker thread size and is easier to screw the cap onto because of this.

Some people are complaining about sweating. On a hot day with the bottles filled with ice cubes both will sweat, but plastic bottles will also.

If I was going to spend that much money on a water bottle again, I would go with Klean Kanteen without a second thought. The only advantage of the Siggs is the exterior design.

Update Dec 09: Over a year of use now and I have stopped using the Sigg due to their older bottles do in fact have BPA. Something they said it didn''t have, so I won''t buy another bottle from them again since it appears they were lying before. They will replace the older bottles, but you have to pay shipping.

I have 2 Klean Kanteens and both have held up well. Some minor scratches and dents, but still look quite good.

I purchased one of these for myself after researching the problems with polycarbonate bottles. At the same time I bought SIGG bottles for my kids because they had cool designs on them. Both brands of bottles are great and much safer than the polycarbonates. I like the Klean Kanteen much better than the SIGG for the simple reason that I can put standard ice cubes in it. I have yet to find an ice cube tray that is easy to use that will fit the smaller mouth of the SIGG.

With the Klean Kanteen I get clean water and no taste of metal or plastic or anything other than water. I fill this 27 ounce bottle 3 times during the day to make sure I get enough water. I like the sports cap, because I don''t have to take off a cap and lay it down somewhere. I originally bought the bottle with a poly loop cap, but when I am teaching there is never a germ-free spot to set that lid down. So I bought a sport cap, and it is very easy to drink from.

If you buy the 27 ounce Klean Kanteen and like your water cold, I recommend a Built NY 20 oz bottle tote to use with it. The metal becomes VERY cold with ice in the water and with the bottle tote, it stays cold and your hands don''t!

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I first bought a Klean Kanteen in 2005. It was all it was cracked up to be. Sturdy, but light, water did not pick up a metal taste, it was easy to clean, and never leaked.

In early 2010, I decided to spring for a second bottle -smaller this time, and with a nice painted color finish (not available when I got my first KK in 2005). Immediately upon receiving it, I could tell something was different. It felt thinner -cheaper. Sure enough, I could squeeze the neck of the bottle and "squish" in the sides. I tried this with my original bottle. No way! It wasn''t budging. I added water and, wow! The water had a terrible metallic taste. I never had this with the original bottle. I washed them both and filled them both from the same water source at the same time. Yup -metallic taste from the 2010 bottle. No taste from the 2005 bottle. I started to wonder if the materials were the same, so I grabbed a small but powerful refrigerator magnet and tried to stick it to the side of each bottle. Remember, Klean Kanteen claims that the bottles are made of "304 stainless steel which has a low nickel content." (To be exact, 304 Stainless has between 8% and 11% nickel.)

Anyway, anyone with any knowledge of metallurgy knows that a magnet should not stick to 304 stainless steel. And, as expected the magnet does not stick at all to the circa 2005 bottle. But the 2010 bottle, even with the paint on it? The magnetic latched right on, even with the the bottle was turned upside down!

So, this and the metallic taste and the cheap construction leads me to believe that Klean Kanteen is NOT using the materials (304 stainless steel) they claim to use in these bottles. This is a serious accusation and not one I take lightly. But it is a serious concern. KK stakes their claim on providing high quality stainless steel. If they are using another material, they are deceivcing the public by not disclosing this fact.

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After reading recent information about Sigg not sharing info about chemicals used to line the interior of their bottle, we opted to switch to Kleen Kanteen for the stainless steel. There are pros & cons:

1) obvious pro the materials are known to be safe

2) the bottles sweat where as the Sigg did not sweat at all

3) the mouth of the bottle is large enough for ice cubes but makes it a bit more difficult to drink out of -kind of like drinking out of a 1qt gatorade bottle --sometimes a little bit dribbles out.

4) My 18month old loves his bottle because its the same color (stainless steel) as his dad''s. We got him the sport top instead of the sippy top and he manages just fine.

5) the slim shape fits nicely in most cup holders and water bottle carriers

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I purchased two of these bottles in May of 2008 with the stainless steel caps. We were very pleased with them and in August I purchased another. Although the third bottle was more than 20% less than when I made the first order, the quality of the bottle has degraded by at least 50%.

It was immediately obvious upon opening the package that this was a much cheaper steel. It is thin, light-colored and rough. The inside of the older version is polished and smooth while this one is dull and hard to clean. My husband convinced me it was still good or else I would have returned it on the spot.

We''ve had it now for 4 months, compared with the 7 months of the first two. All get the same general treatment and this last one is MUCH worse off. The plastic on the top of the cap is cut up and gouged and cuts into your hand every time you have to open it. More importantly, the steel is dented all over and is beginning to rust. There are dents along the bottom edge as well which make the bottle wobbly and unstable. This has not been through any use to cause such damage. The older bottles, with the thicker, higher quality steel, are holding up nicely and look as new as the day we bought them.

I feel duped by a company that drew me in with a nice quality product and then lowered their standards. I will never buy anything from Klean Kanteen again. The $5 decrease in cost does not make up for the fact that I am throwing this bottle away 4 months after purchasing it.

Ultimate Performance AiraForce 2 Bottle Belt

Ultimate Performance AiraForce 2 Bottle Belt - One - BlackThis product is everything I was looking for. I always hated carrying drinks with me on my long runs and was looking for a product that would be easy to carry and at the same time provide easy access. This does everything I wanted. Adjustable belt allows it to fit comfortably around anyones waist. Doesn''t even feel like I''m wearing anything. It is so easy to just grab the drink container, have a drink and put it back in the belt. The pouch between the bottle holders is great for keys, money, gels or anything you want to put in it. It''s perfect!!

Carolina Panthers Stainless Steel Water Bottle

Carolina Panthers Stainless Steel Water BottleThe water bottle that was sent was a different color, and had a different logo design from the one in the photo that I ordered. My kid is a huge Panthers fan and loved it anyway, so it wasn''t a big deal. Just beware when ordering that it may not come as it appears in the photo.